Peanut Gallery Independent Praise of Drew Hempel's research

The disgustingly typical common dismissal of yours of Drew's worth is telling. Can't handle anything too far beyond your comfort zone so you don't at all engage, as Drew would say, with his information. Much of which is simply discerning the fundamental structure linking revered traditional scriptures and cuttingedge science and it's explication in human life on Earth.
Then of course you project by claiming he is not engaging well... you're right, but you are still denying your hypocrisy, as you are too scared to admit that the reason you say you don't appreciate any of his writing is probably not because it is all false but because it is occult to your limited mind.
You can't argue with the facts and are too dumb to handle his points so you resort to smear tactics.
Who cares if some nut spams the net. It is only disruptive to the weak of mind. Fact is Drew has an "original" conclusion that deserves global discussion and you censor it like a welltrained shill, which I assume you are not.

Drew's idea. 2:3 is Yang, 3:4 is Yin... ie 666 is Yang. But he might repeat it like the example below, at which 99% of readers will throw their hands up in incomprehension and only folk like me, a stubborn OneTruthLover, bother to really get what he is saying. To say his is crazy is stupidly missing the point, plus to which he seems saner than most of the zombies who pretend humanity. He may a mixed up lake but at least he is not a puddle of puke.
Brace yourselves,
"I've posted that in fact musicologist Ernest McClain had already gleaned this from Plato -- see his Pythagorean Plato -- and that in fact while 5/4 was the Greek Miracle as the cube root of two leading to amplitude as classical mathematics for 3 dimensional form

the Tai Chi Perfect 5th-4th as 2:3 and 3:4 Yang and Yin (my discovery) is the QUANTUM secret of 2-dimensional energy intensity from frequency, not classical amplitude."

Needless to say he condenses much meaning in few words so you gotta read more his of his spiel to get it. His earliest piece on the greek Miracle is best.
Cloud Tiger, a Tai Chi practitioner in the UK, 2009

Hempel, proficient in a wide sprectrum of intellectual pursuits including math and music --- and far from being deluded in any sense of the word as brought forth in the above quote by Hui Neng --- is also an eastern spiritual renaissance master as well. Just as much too, in the aforementioned areas and others far afield, as a search of his name will show, or did before he just simply disappeared into cyber space or infinity, he was one of the most prolific contributors on the net. His writings and books lean heavily toward a variety of eastern spiritual aspects, with a strong personal emphasis on qigong and meditation executed almost exclusively through the use of the full lotus position.

Additionally, even though Drew has resurfaced and available for interaction to all comers, I have however, NOT changed any of the above content of the original page because in my opinion it still remains highly relevant, showing all kinds of insight into who and where Hempel comes from, from any number of angles. Good to hear you are back. The internet wasn't the same without you.

The Wanderling, advaita meditation online site page on Drew Hempel

First we have to address the root of this possible problem.

the main root of all of this is the conceptual axiom that the parts of a system should be symmetrical if it desires to be in HARMONY. This in math is called COMMUTATIVE RING, or AxB=BxA.

From this principle (the commutative ring) we created a body of rules and paradigms in science, and even in religion, that separates our perception from nature itself (our game of denying being part of it) For example, as someone on this forum talked about maxwell´s quaternions in here. To work with an asymmetrical principle (most of things in nature) with our math that has as a main basic principle the commutative ring we first need to CHANGE what we gonna study, I mean, our science takes the information in nature which is assymétrical and DIVERGENT and converts it to an symmetrical and CONVERGENTE group of data to work with.
This is, as a principle, exactly what we did with the musical scales, as drew demonstrated.

In ancient music we got the asymmetrical intervals and, mainly since old non-pre-socratic Greece, we develop the obsession and the desire to “correct” it´s ugliness (natural asymmetry), so we transformed ancient music into symmetrical intervals. Buy by doing so we generate a comma, an extra group of data that can´t be used and should be discarded and watched over to avoid its return, because if this comma returns to the scale, it will create a hell of a mess to the fragile artificial symmetry we applied to it. So, conceptualy, the kind of technology we create, it prefers to change nature into artificial symmetry instead of flowing with it.

So it´s a matter of the right tool for the right job. And our Math has no asymmetrical tool for the job. IT´s all about the commutative ring, so even when working with asymmetrical systems (like nature) it has to convert it into symmetrical to process it. IT´s simple, drew is saying that western math and music take what is divergent (spiraling out) by nature and converge it before giving any kind of result. It´s a fact. Check, I don´t know, Wikipedia?, to get informations about the commutative ring and the non-commutative ring.

Now, I´m not 100% with drew on the consequences of “raping” nature with symmetry. I do know drew for the last 10yrs. Or so. I´m very good at math and good enough in music. I´m so-so in physics, i´ve studied electrical engineer for two yrs before change my mind and go to journalism school and drop it too to work as a photographer and illustrator and now as a computer graphics animator and advertising film director. So I have some background to understand a great chunk of drew hypothesis.

We try to solve all with symmetry, as the case with the music intervals, therefore, as in the case of music intervals, we create commas in science and all the range of activities that rely on science.

So this is the radical part of this use of musical model to explain things: if we try to understand nature (that is asymmetrical and divergent) with concepts and tools that are symmetrical and convergent) we gonna create dissonances in return and enter in a cycle of solving a dissonance with more symmetry to generate even more dissonance in the next octave ´till we # everything up! (we are already doing so! Our tech gives us marvelous stuff at the same time it acidify the oceans ending up #ing up with animals that depends on ultrasound for communication to reproduction. Our tech gives us marvelous tools as computer hi-res screens, but in return any cycle above 30hz is with time stressful to the human cells, etc, etc.)

non-commutative is so alien to our understand of thing that, as an example, if you go to Mr. Wolfram Math repository site you gonna find only ONE EMPTY page about it!!non-commutative is so alien to our understand of thing that, as an example, if you go to Mr. Wolfram Math repository site you gonna find only ONE EMPTY page about it!!

Now let´s go to the possible solutions for this.

1.full-lotus as a solution. Drew said full-lotus can transform the excess of electrochemical information in the lower body into electromagnectic information in the upper body. Some angry scientific trolls started to make fun of it.

for the materialistic people the thing is in the physiology.

siting in full-lotus will put a great chunk of pressure into your SACRUM! The sacrum is empty and pressure there will start to create small levels of ultra sound that will TRANSDUCE the energy from electrochemical into electromagnetic (remember, SOUND is PRESSURE WAVES, and it´s been prove that ultrasound can transduce energy from one state to other… use uncle google, he is your friend!! )… so this is one of the main reasons why full-lotus is a great tool.

It took me one year of daily chikung to sit in full-lotus with ease, before my one year of spring forest qigong I could barely sit in freestyle (like an north American indian) for more than a couple of minutes without felling a hell of pain in my back and legs!

After i´ve learned to sit in full-lotus, it´s a #ing bliss, full-lotus and half-lotus all day long. I even cut the legs from all my tables in my studio so I can sit in full-lotus and half-lotus anternated all day!!

So it´s one solution, but it´s a personal one.

2. Music create patterns in our brain.
It´s known that music create patterns in our brain. So if we just listen to music made with symmetrical and proportional intervals, some kind of patterns will form… with non-western music (mostly live, since hard to find speakers in home and computers that can produce ultrasound! ) so with non-western music we can generate other kind of patterns, since the intervals are asymmetrical. Drew have posted links to papers demonstrated, among otherthings, how ultrasound can stimulate the brain, the center of the brain, so on.

Also, Pineal Gland is a place made for sonoluminescence production. See? Pineal gland has fluid and cavitation in it! So with ultrasound stimulus in it we can ionize it a lot, we can produce tons of melatonie, and also we can generate little bubbles of light! By my personal experience, seeing light while practicing small universe (the oldest meditation that exist, it´s part of spring forest chikung and also is a “secret” inside the kriya yoga school) is relaxing, insightful and healing.
So, changing the king of music we listen to is a way of changing the patterns in our brain and so maybe it will reflect in the patterns we create in the world too.

3.creating a science where natural resonance ratios are important.
Well, this third item i´ll say nothing, since it´s what i´m working for the past 5 yrs. But a simple example of using natural resonance (non-comutative) musical ratios in technology is The Sonic Bloom, it´s a kit with audio from birds generating the fifth and forth in a repeated way so the intensity will affect the plants cells to expand more, taking more nutrients. It´s amazing. I use it to feed my home grown food (i´m a raw vegetarian) as my wife garden.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg…

Now those open minded, the daily practice of small universe from spring forest qigong, or the listening of music without symmetrical intervals, or the use of tech like the sonic bloom are just a few of the examples of the changes we can make personally or collectively to a better and more harmonious world.
And those so full of the “right” paradigm, well, you can keep projecting your anger on drew, it´s funny to read your assumptions about my crazy druid friend!

KALLISTI and have a nice day and a lovely life!
Guto Novo.
Correspondent for 15 years in Brazil

Seriously drew is next level, beyond even Dobbs, Ebert, Heidegger, Mcluhan etc.
Another UK practitioner-philosopher
"The universe and I came into being together; I and everything therein are One."

"If then all things are One, what room is there for speech? On the other hand, since I can say the word 'one' how can speech not exist? If it does exist, we have One and speech -- two; and two and one -- three(14) from which point onwards even the best mathematicians will fail to reach (the ultimate); how much more then should ordinary people fail?">"

- Chuang Tzu, 300 BCE

"Sound is the bridge between God and the soul" SHRI DHYANYOGI

a “universal scaling system”, ... this discrete scaling manifests itself in acoustic systems, as is well known in western classical music, where the two scalings correspond, respectively, to passing to the octave (frequency ratio of 2) and transposition (the perfect fifth is the frequency ratio 3/2), with the approximate value log(3)/ log(2) ∼ 19/12 responsible for the difference between the “circulating temperament” of the Well Tempered
Clavier and the “equal temperament” of XIX century music. It is precisely the irrationality of log(3)/ log(2) which is responsible for the noncommutative [complementary opposites as yin/yang] nature of the quotient corresponding to the three places {2, 3,∞}. -
Math professor (field medals) Alain Connes on quantum music as noncommutative time-frequency origin of reality from infinite spiral of perfect fifths!
Our brain is an incredible ....receives moments of space of the photons we receive and manufactures a mental picture. Which is geometric. But what I am telling you is that I think ...that the fundamental thing is spectral [frequency]....And somehow in order to think we have to do an enormous Fourier Transform...on geometry. By talking about the "music of shapes" is really a fourier transform of shape and the fact that we have to do it in reverse. Alain Connes, 2012

Stanford Quantum physicist Eddie Oshins:
This representation only works for the (more fundamental) 1/2-integral representations (i.e. spinors/turns/quaternions) but also lets one build the vector and tensor representations. The converse does not hold....this property of "noncommutivity" in itself might be valuable in some way.
My claim, and original idea, has been that this is circumnavigating a T'ai Chi (Yin/Yang) symbol! More recently (Oshins, 1993b) I have suggested that this proximate technique can be used to realize Wing Chun kung-fu's "bong sau/tan sau" movement out of the Kauffman/Oshins "quaternionic arm" discussed and referenced below in end note 5.
I believe that this may be a way to get mind to code the relative relationship of part of oneself with respect to the rest of oneself (self-referential motion) and can explain the concepts of being "centered"/"one"/"integrated"/"extended"/"whole" etc. which one strives for in meditation.
Oshins, E. (1993). A Test for Classical Psychospinors. (pdf) In Abdullah, F. (Ed.) Conservation and Invariance. Cambridge, UK: Alternative Natural Philosophy Association, London England.

Manfred Euler's 2013 description of acoustic STM - Scanning Tunnelling Microscopy builds on his previous connections between the quantum acoustic realms.
Near-field imaging with sound waves compelling demonstrates the inadequacy of pictorial realism and promotes more abstract views of the reality displayed.
A comparison of sound and matter waves clarifies that these [noncommutative] limitations exist in principle.
2016: de Broglie clocks as synchronization: a tangible model of how mass emerges.
matter waves are locally in phase with the particle clocks (de Broglie's Law of Phase Harmony).

The clock runs forever so it's self-sustaining (consciousness-energy). It resonates with the quantum vacuum. The harmonic beats create dynamic energy.

So then you have a "phase particle" that can be faster than the speed of light - superluminal - and a "mass particle" that is slower than the speed of light as the "group wave" of the "phase wave." The beats of the phase wave then are "in resonance" with the quantum vacuum - and so create mass from the massless field, explaining the Higgs mechanism.

"Universal coherence" - a "mind boggling outlook."

Coherence as consciousness.
"Ghost Tones"
Manfred Euler is a Professor Emeritus of Physics at the University of Kiel.

It's actually a Klein Bottle so you can't see the 5th dimension.

The red is a logarithmic singularity - but that is just classical physics.

So the foundation of reality is quantum - which is noncommutative phase as the 5th dimension.

So light as a photon is a point but as a wave it is nonlocal - but this means it is in 2 places at the same time - as the 5th dimension that is noncommutative.

People think that doesn't make sense - how can it be in two places at the same time? Actually basic music theory explains this.

So for example the Perfect Fifth is C to F as subharmonic 2/3 while the Perfect Fifth is C to G overtone harmonic as 3/2.

So C = 2 while F=3=G at the same time. That is noncommutative phase. It is also called "Fourier Uncertainty" or "time-frequency uncertainty" - and that is the true foundation of reality.

So for example de Broglie - studying relativity - realized Einstein had a problem - as energy goes to the speed of light then time as wavelength slows down, gets bigger. That means as frequency goes higher then time also gets bigger. That violates a fundamental property since Pythagoras that frequency is inverse to time as wavelength (from music theory).

So de Broglie realized since quantum physics is real there has to be a phase wave that is faster than the speed of light. So you have a mass wave that is the "group phase" - and then you have a particle phase that is called the "internal clock" or a 2nd clock that is the phase wave of the particle - also called the "pilot wave" - and this comes back from the future.

So there is a Harvard physicist who works with Stephen Hawking - and this Harvard Physicist says that the future already exists and reality is a holograph. So the 4D universe is actually a projection of this 5th dimension of noncommutative phase that is time-like.

This is how precognition is real.

Tuesday, July 4, 2017

What's with the Weird Neo-Nazi Aryan Tarim Basin Claim?

So over at thetaobums (where strangely many neo-nazis post!) - we find this bizarre claim:

I have made a few posts about :  the old  Aryan  'Empire'    that stretched  from  (now ) western China to (now ) Turkey  ,  'Caucasian Chinese mummies ' , how the Aryans were not to be defined by race or ethnicity and put up a picture of a painting of an old Aryan King from Pishdadian dynasties ( before history ) in very much  Chinese looking robes features and hairstyle.
And this led my down the rabbit hole to be sure! It is actually quite amazing - the science research to debunk the Neo-Nazis.
I have made a few posts about :  the old  Aryan  'Empire'   
You mean like Neo-Nazi b.s.? Is my response to which I post links to the same topic on Neo-Nazi websites. E.G.:

Ancient Aryans of China - Stormfront › General › Science and Technology
Apr 14, 2017 - 10 posts - ‎6 authors
Scattered across the desert sands of the Tarim Basin in present-day Xinjiang were mummies so different from the standard East Asian ...
 So you're just lifting b.s. from a neo-nazi website?
Sorry there is no Aryans mentioned.

So this book says "proto-Indo-Aryan" spread into the "subcontinent" while "proto-Tocharian" stayed in Central Asia.
So I don't know what the whole Aryan neo-nazi b.s. is about - except to whine about "mongol" or "arab" contamination of the pure blood. haha. disgusting.
Neo-Nazi b.s.

And so then someone tries to defend themselves by really stepping in it!

That these ancient Aryans  prior to admixture with other population groups were of a Nordic European type is really undeniable to anyone who studies the matter without bias.. Its about what me may perhaps describe as "Nordish" or "Northern European" features, namely being Caucasoids with fair skin, hair ranging in colors but possessing red and blonde hair, and light eyes.
What? Full on Nazi propaganda on thetaobums! haha. Hilarious.

So I post the standard clarification of why the term Aryan is not used anymore:
only Indic and Iranian languages explicitly affirm the term as a self-designation referring to the entirety of their people, whereas the same Proto-Indo-European root (*aryo-) is the basis for Greek and Germanic word forms which seem only to denote the ruling elite of Proto-Indo-European (PIE) society
So I think you wanting to claim Aryan for Proto-Indo-Europeans is blatantly racist.
this term had come to be widely used in a racist context referring to a hypothesized white master race, culminating with the pogroms of the Nazis in Europe. Subsequently, the term Aryan as a general term for Indo-Europeans has been largely abandoned by scholars (though the term Indo-Aryan is still used to refer to the branch that settled in Southern Asia).[10]
 So then the defense is - hey using the term Aryan isn't Nazi brainwashing it....refers to language and culture!

Ah Language and Culture - that's not Nazi propaganda is it?

If these languages and culture are similar, the hypothesis went that these must have come from the same group of people. Since no such name existed for this group, the visiting German scholars named them Aryans - from the Sanskrit word for noble, pure.
Right now, only a few rare white supremists use the term outside of India & Iran.
Aryans had noble virtues
So we have a self-circular racist logical tautology.

O.K. Now the b.s. really starts hitting the fan!!

The two Neo-Nazi Aryan racists start chatting together about their "Homeland" - in German!


 At the beginning of the 19th century, the Germans were going through a low phase in self esteem, for they had nor the cultural heritage like the British or French, and neither the expansion capabilities like other European powers. As a means to show that they came from great heritage, they started to look at the East as a possible "urheimat".
 The study of Indian Texts was just gaining popularity, and seeing the similarity in language, they proposed that India was the land they all came from.
 By the end of the century, owing to nationalistic, chauvinistic policies, this whole theory was reversed, and it was said that Indians came to India from Europe. The Britishers capitalised on this, and proposed the Aryan Invasion Theory, and later when enough evidence was not found for that, they changed it into the Aryan Migration Theory.
And just in case you don't believe me:
 Europeans 'Aryans'
And my response?

That's a blatant racist phrase you are using.

So then I start making fun of these other Neo-Nazis trying to do genetics research. 

 that the racists cite the genetic research of "farmers" and say that the Aryan genetics if from the culture of farming.
Yep - white skin is from Malnutrition from wheat monocultural farming lacking vitamin D.
The rest of that article is hilarious!
The Aryan farmers who colonized southern Europe took their women. They are the ancestors of the dark skinned southern European "Whites".
 So then I'm told that since 'Aryan' was in quotes it was meant to be "ironic" or something. Really?
"Old aryan empire"
Google search it.
First hit
The invention of history in this movement's written sources is quite amazing.
  And this "ronic" quote phrase?
I also remind people that I am NOT suggesting  Europeans 'Aryans'
 This Hit:
It's always funny when Eastern or Northern Europeans claim Aryan ancestry or whatever. It would be like a Middle Eastern or South Asian trying to claim Slavic or Germanic ancestry.

So I'm not saying there wasn't an Indo-European chariot culture - I'm just saying that it was not Aryan, nor was it the origin of white people in Europe as Aryans.
 The Iranian language group is very closely related to Indo-Aryan, the branch of Indo-European that occupies the northern two thirds of India; these language groups presumably shared a common origin in the steppe region, during the Bronze Age, perhaps around  2500 BCE.
So this pdf of Victor Mallory, professor, indicates a Proto-Indo-European origin, not Aryan.

Therefore Aryan only applies to a particular region of people at a particular time and any other use of it is aligned with the Nazi use of the term - that is why academics don't use the term Aryan. 
"Oswald Szemerényi has suggested[1][7] that *arya- is a loanword from an Ugaritic word meaning "kinsmen", from Proto-Afro-Asiatic *ħər ‎(“free, noble”)"
Actually, the Ugaritic word noted by Szemerényi is ’ary 'kinsman', from a different root (*ʔar-), but if we see the meaning of the terms derived from the Afro-Asiatic root proposed above, one is surprised by their close similarity with the meanings of the Indo-European terms. 
 So even linguistically - the term Aryan has nothing to do with certain "phenotypes."

You want to connect the word Aryan to phenotype and then even connect that to European "phenotypes" - again this is just Neo-Nazi rhetoric.
Caucasoids with more Northern European associated features.
That's Aryan to you? Hilarious - that is the standard Nazi definition of Aryan.

 the Indo-Iranian branch (differently from the other Indo-Europeans) chose to name itself with the adjective or name connected with that root.
 Still not connecting apparently - hence the scream font size. haha.

So now I have to really explain things. Ho-hum.

Basically the genetics are primarily from the farmers - who again got white skin from wheat malnutrition - lack of vitamin D in the diet.
This farming culture started around 11,000 BCE.
So what happened is that it created ecological disaster - since the forest was cut down so people could water proof their houses from the ash.
Hilarious since no forest, then no rain anyway.
So then from this ecological disaster of early wheat monoculture - two things happened - you had white skin farmers escape as refugee immigrants into Europe - where the people were dark skin Africans as hunter-gatherers.
That was around 9,000 BCE.
Also you had pastoralism develop as an escape method to the wheat monocultural farming.
So then the pastoralist Yamnaya culture is Indo-European - but NOT Aryan - and the Yamnaya culture then spread into Europe around when.... 

 about 5000 years ago

So this is much later - Europe already had white skin people primarily from the farmers.
Northern European blue eyes - like in Sweden - is also from dark skin albino eye-Africans.
But the primary source of white skin in Europe is from the early wheat farmers - lack of vitamin D in the diet.
First, a group of hunter-gatherers arrived in Europe about 37,000 years ago. Then, farmers began migrating from Anatolia (a region including present-day Turkey) into Europe 9000 years ago, but they initially didn’t intermingle much with the local hunter-gatherers because they brought their own families with them. Finally, 5000 to 4800 years ago, nomadic herders known as the Yamnaya swept into Europe. They were an early Bronze Age culture that came from the grasslands, or steppes, of modern-day Russia and Ukraine, bringing with them metallurgy and animal herding skills and, possibly, Proto-Indo-European, the mysterious ancestral tongue from which all of today’s 400 Indo-European languages spring. They immediately interbred with local Europeans, who were descendants of both the farmers and hunter-gatherers. Within a few hundred years, the Yamnaya contributed to at least half of central Europeans’ genetic ancestry.
So as I have pointed out - the white skin of Europe primarily came from the farmers of the near east-West Asia:
But not only did Europeans have dark skin for far longer than previously thought, it turns out that what’s more is that white skin for most modern Europeans did not evolve in Europe at all. A  new genetic analysis of an ancient European hunter-gatherer man has revealed that he had dark skin and blazing blue eyes which has lead scientist to rethink how white skin evolved.
light skin evolved not to adjust to the lower-light conditions in Europe compared with Africa, but instead to the new diet that emerged after the agricultural revolution.
And so Northern Europeans have more blue eyes from the African albinos.
Blue eyes is an albino gene.

The new analysis of that DNA now shows the man had the gene mutation for blue eyes, but not the European mutations for lighter skin.
The DNA also shows that the man was more closely related to modern-day northern Europeans than to southern Europeans. 
The discovery may explain why baby blues are more common in Scandinavia. It's been thought that poor conditions in northern Europe delayed the agricultural revolution there, so Scandinavians may have more genetic traces of their hunter-gatherer past — including a random blue-eye mutation that emerged in the small population of ancient hunter-gatherers, Lalueza-Fox said.

Europeans were not what many people today would call 'Caucasian', said Guido Barbujani, president of the Associazione Genetica Italiana in Ferrara, Italy, who was not involved in the study.
Instead, "what seems likely, then, is that the dietary changes accompanying the so-called Neolithic revolution, or the transition from food collection to food production, might have caused, or contributed to cause, this change," Barbujani said.
So now the term Aryan is not valid to describe European phenotypes. haha.
Time to lose the Nazi terminology.
Kongming read this:
All this has nothing to do, fortunately, with the disastrous and artificial concept of a Nordic 'Aryan race'.
The point is that the Indo-Europeans or Aryans come from one root people who were of a particular ethnic type, namely Caucasoids with more Northern European associated features.
Now, in the first study of its kind, an international team of scientists has found that after agriculture arrived in Europe 8,500 years ago, people’s DNA underwent widespread changes, altering their height, digestion, immune system and skin color.
The authors reiterated that there was a massive genetic difference between the first farmers who arrived in Sweden ~5,000 years ago, and a native hunter-gatherer tradition....In other words, two contemporaneous ancient populations in Sweden which were in near proximity for many generations had a genetic distance on the order of half the distance of Eurasia today.... But it is in the functional genome where there’s a twist on the story: the farmers may have looked physically more like modern Swedes than the hunters. That’s because at two SNPs which are fixed (in SLC24A5) or nearly fixed (in SLC45A5) in modern Europeans yield matches to the farmers and not the hunters.
Genomic Diversity and Admixture Differs for Stone-Age Scandinavian Foragers and Farmer, Pontus Skoglund, Helena Malmström, Ayça Omrak, Maanasa Raghavan, Cristina Valdiosera, Torsten Günther, Per Hall, Kristiina Tambets, Jüri Parik, Karl-Göran Sjögren, Jan Apel, Eske Willerslev, Jan Storå, Anders Götherström, and Mattias Jakobsson, Science, DOI:10.1126/science.1253448
Prehistoric population structure associated with the transition to an agricultural lifestyle in Europe remains contentious. Population-genomic data from eleven Scandinavian Stone-Age human remains suggest that hunter-gatherers had lower genetic diversity than farmers. Despite their close geographical proximity, the genetic differentiation between the two Stone-Age groups was greater than that observed among extant European populations. Additionally, the Scandinavian Neolithic farmers exhibited a greater degree of hunter-gatherer-related admixture than that of the Tyrolean Iceman, who also originated from a farming context. In contrast, Scandinavian hunter-gatherers displayed no significant evidence of introgression from farmers. Our findings suggest that Stone-Age foraging groups were historically in low numbers, likely due to oscillating living conditions or restricted carrying-capacity, and that they were partially incorporated into expanding farming groups.
Whew! I'm not even going to correct the formatting!! too much work.

There's no such thing as a 'pure' European—or anyone else

By Ann GibbonsMay. 15, 2017 , 3:00 PM
almost all indigenous Europeans descend from at least three major migrations in the past 15,000 years, including two from the Middle East.
Ancient DNA records their arrival in Germany, where they are linked with the Linear Pottery culture, 6900 to 7500 years ago. A 7000-year-old woman from Stuttgart, Germany, for example, has the farmers’ genetic signatures, setting her apart from eight hunter-gatherers who lived just 1000 years earlier in Luxembourg and Sweden.
So you want to claim that northern Europeans are white because of a later Yamnaya migration but that is not true.

So now you want to claim some Latin purity - IndoEuropean is a language terminology.
the ethnic difference between the native, Mediterranean, non-Indo-European Etruscan dancer and the Latin/Indo-European dancer:
Your fascination is just your ignorance being projected onto reality:
The Etruscans had a rich literature, as noted by Latin authors. Unfortunately only one book (now unreadable) has survived, although there is always some possibility that more will turn up. By AD 100, Etruscan had been replaced by Latin.
The point is that there is a lot of history hidden from view during the period when the Etruscans left Anatolia. They were established in the Italian peninsula by 800 BCE, but likely were not present before 1200 BCE. This suggest their emigration was during the chaos following the collapse of the Hittie empire and the rise of Phyrgia (the western Anatolian kingdom which preceded Lydia as the preeminent power). This whole period is shadowy, so we have to focus on the variables we know and have and allow that others may always be free ranging parameters.

Stop using the word "Caucasian" to mean white

people wanted a pretentious term somewhat less coarse than white, and since most people are geography-challenged, “Caucasian” sounds good if you want to pose as the faux-sophisticate.
For those readers who have qualms about the coarseness of “white,” and the genericness of “European, how about the term “Aryanoids”? It will still make you sound smarter to the herd. And, it’s just as stupid and also derived from a scientific tradition which is in disrepute. But it has the convenience that it doesn’t correspond to anything real in this world.
dang - that nails it.
White people are from farming - not your "Aryan caucasoid" fantasy.
White skin is malnutrition - lack of vitamin D in the diet.
White skin does not mean "pure" as in Aryan.
The root word Aryan is from semitic-African language, when farming first started.
Those people became white due to malnutrition.
Caucasus, are homes to modern populations that display these features in large part.
Later they migrated to the Steppes - to escape the ecological destruction of the early farming.
The steppe culture later migrated into Europe - and then into India.
Yes those people were white - but they were not the origin of white skin.
The people you are referring to are called "Late-PIE" or Late Proto-Indo-European.
Do you get it yet?

Here the authors explain it in terms of local adaptations and interactions between migrant Yamnaya people from the Pontic-Caspian steppe and indigenous North European Neolithic cultures. The original herding economy of the Yamnaya migrants gradually gave way to new practices of crop cultivation, which led to the adoption of new words for those crops. The result of this hybridisation process was the formation of a new material culture, the Corded Ware Culture, and of a new dialect, Proto-Germanic.
Volker Heyd, Kossinna's smile, Antiquity, Volume 91, Issue 356, April 2017, pp. 348-359, DOI:
So the farmers were already white.
The herders were white from the white farmers - the herders were "semi-nomadic" and also had wheat farming.
Do you get it yet?
..Here we show the genetic relationships of modern Etruscians, who mostly settled in Tuscany, with other Italian, Near Eastern and Aegean peoples by comparing the Y-chromosome DNA variation in 1,264 unrelated healthy males from: Tuscany-Italy (n=263), North Italy (n=306), South Balkans (n=359), Lemnos island (n=60), Sicily and Sardinia (n=276). The Tuscany samples were collected in Volterra (n=116), Murlo (n=86) and Casentino Valley (n=61). We found traces of recent Near Eastern gene flow still present in Tuscany, especially in the archaeologically important village of Murlo. The samples from Tuscany show eastern haplogroups E3b1-M78, G2*- P15, J2a1b*-M67 and K2-M70 with frequencies very similar to those observed in Turkey and surrounding areas, but significantly different from those of neighbouring Italian regions. The microsatellite haplotypes associated to these haplogroups allow inference of ancestor lineages for Etruria and Near East whose time to the most recent common ancestors is relatively recent (about 3,500 years BP) and supports a possible non autochthonous post-Neolithic signal associated with the Etruscans.
So because the Etruscans were not white farmers - they had darker skin.
The Etruscans had Mongol ethnicity - which means they were not farmer white yet.
Etruscans were a cattle culture - as pastoralists.
By further considering two Anatolian samples (35 and 123 individuals) we could estimate that the genetic links between Tuscany and Anatolia date back to at least 5,000 years ago, strongly suggesting that the Etruscan culture developed locally, and not as an immediate consequence of immigration from the Eastern Mediterranean shores.
As also suggested by the analysis of skull diversity [26], contacts between people from the Eastern Mediterranean shores and Central Italy likely date back to a remote stage of prehistory, possibly to the spread of farmers from the Near East during the Neolithic period [27], [28], but not necessarily so (we only estimated a minimum separation time between gene pools). At any rate, these contacts occurred much earlier than, and hence appear unrelated with, the onset of the Etruscan culture (Figure 5).
So your white skin fetish is from the older neolithic culture - while Etruscan is from the later "indo-European" cattle migration.

The Etruscan World

Front Cover
Jean MacIntosh Turfa
Routledge, Nov 13, 2014
so this book notes that the Etruscans had a better diet than the Romans and less cavities - since the Etruscans relied on cattle pastoralism more than on grain, like the romans.
Hilarious - your Indo-European Cattle migrants were LESS WHITE than the Roman wheat farmers.

Caucasoid Steppe Aryanoid?
The early farmers of the Near East seem to have over-exploited the land. Constant cultivation, over-grazing and felling trees for timber and fuel led to erosion and loss of fertility. Çatalhöyük was one of a number of sites abandoned between around 6900-6000 BC.  People moved in all directions - south into Mesopotamia and to North Africa, westwards into Central and Western Anatolia, northwards into the Caucasus. This is where R1b1b2 gets into the act. It must have been in the Neolithic Levant by about 6,000 BC, in time to catch the boat to North Africa. So it could also have spread west into Anatolia. If I'm right about its origins S of the Caspian Sea, it was already in the Caucasus.
Just as I stated.;wap2
In particular, haplogroup R1b1a2-M269 is the most common Y-chromosomal lineage in Europe, encountered in 110 million European men, and increases in frequency westward [27,28].
So much for your Nordic R1a claim.
Recently published genome-wide study results showing the absence of any significant admixture for Armenians over the past 4 KYA [39] justify using this population as a reference group for addressing the issue of Neolithic migration from the Near East to Europe and the North Caucasus.
Early Neolithic Southern Caucasus - NOT Indo-European as the source of most common chromosome lineage in Europe.
The haplogroup R1b1a2-M269 is the most frequently encountered subclade in all Armenian samples, except Sasun, which differs from others due to the predominance of haplogroup T (20%) [35]. Of the lineages within haplogroup R, its subclade R1a1a-M198 is linked to the spread of Indo-Aryan languages [42] and detected with low frequencies or even absent in the analyzed populations.
The Caucasus cluster, comprising Abkhazians, Georgians, and Ossetians, is found to be connected to the haplogroup G-M201, which is also a marker for the Neolithic migration.
So you have Caucasoid Neolithic farming migration as the most common chromosome in Europe - No Indo-Aryan source.
The haplotypes of western Armenian origin are widely scattered and mainly associated with haplotypes from the Near Eastern (Lebanese) population. In addition, there are four haplotypes shared between Armenians and Europeans (Ireland and Italy), which was not revealed in Herrera et al. [35].
So you have white lebanese, white caucosoids in armenia, white europeans - all from wheat monocultural farming spread from the Near East/West Asia into the Southern Caucus.

Here's your pure Nordic Aryan b.s. debunked in a nice image for you.
White skin in Europe is from monocultural wheat farming.
Non-Indo-European Root Nouns in Germanic: Agricultural Substrate Hypothesis.
Guus Kroonen.
as much as one third of the Germanic lexicon (cf. Rifkin 2007: 55) – lacks a solid Indo-European background.
e phonology of Germanic is radically different from what is reconstructed for Proto-Indo-European.
One example of this is the pan-Indo-European or pan-Aryan god Aryaman, who in the Avestan is Airyaman, appears as the legendary king Eremon in the Irish, and likely is related to the Irmin of the Germanic tribes.
Tell us more B.S. lies!! haha. Hilarious.
Now back to the truth:
To my mind, the most promising hypothesis regarding the Germanic substrate is the linkage with the introduction of agriculture in North-West Europe.
Yep - I just posted the genetics that corroborates this argument of Guus Kroonen!!
the Germanic substrate is related to the non-Indo-European layer of words in Greek (“Pelasgian”), and represents the linguistic residue of the first European farmers (Kallio 2003; Schrijver (2007: 21).
The distribution of haplogroup R1b1b2 has thus become geographically and linguistically compatible with the Agricultural Substrate Hypothesis that is evident for Greek as well as Germanic.
So your "fascination" with the white Latin roman farmers? haha - that's from Non-Indo-European origins!!

Strabo in Geographia 11.8.2 states: "But the best known of the nomads (Saka) are those who took away Bactriana from the Greeks, I mean the Asii, Pasiani, Tochari (Tarim basin, Khotan),
Really is that in the original quote or did you add that blatant error?
Which error? the one you put in bold print. haha.
Oh gee - I googled it and YES - it's in the original quote! That means your "source" that you keep quoting doesn't know much does he? haha. Hilarious.
The Tochari referred to by Strabo are NOT the Tochari of the Tarim Basim but rather the Tochari who moved to Bactria.
You didn't know about the difference between those two?
Let me explain:
o.k. google tocharians and you get a hit for Bactria.
Does that give you a hint?
These people were called "Tocharian" by late-19th century scholars who identified them with the Tókharoi described by ancient Greek sources as inhabiting Bactria.
Oh and in case you didn't read that right - let me use my perfectly legal option of enlarging it for emphasis.
These people were called "Tocharian" by late-19th century scholars who identified them with the Tókharoi described by ancient Greek sources as inhabiting Bactria.
Dude - try using some different sources that are not so uneducated - the internet is a big place.
Or should I say, "Dudette?" hahaha.

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