Peanut Gallery Independent Praise of Drew Hempel's research

Drew Hempel has caught my interest for some time as many of his articles on the ‘Natural Resonance Revolution’, so closely matches much of our groups ( and my own ) experiences and thoughts on the nature of the phenomena we’ve been exposed to via the frequencies I’ve created for our use.

Donald Adams, aka Dr. Starz, computer frequency "sonification" healer

The final phase though of the Exopolitical NWO exoreligion roll out is the Borg-like assimilation philosophies of the Transhuman Movement
and their matrix upload plans so well outlined by Drew Hempel.

UFO Culture blog 2009

Drew Hempel went that far. He's a scientist who has plumbed the depths of these training techniques.
He kind of one point he called it Pre-Socratic African Taoist Yoga training. Which is I guess a pretty bare one-liner about his research but you know qigong is something that will become more culturally significant in the way that Tai Chi is now.
Philosophy professor Dave Leech podcast discussion with David Metcalfe and Dr. Tim Brigham
I will tell you how to do this. I followed the information which was posted in online forums and articles by someone called 'drew hempel' as he studied something called 'spring forest qigong' and 'taoist yoga'. I followed the same training he did and it's very powerful. He studied SFQ with qigong master chun yi lin (
- there is a lot of **** on the net because it seems like no one has a clue how to do real energy work, drew hempel was the only person I found who made any sense to me, so I followed what he did and it worked....
If you are very serious about this, you should google drew hempel and read all his articles/some of his taobums posts
Dreambot, 2011 Spiritualforums post

Drew Hempel's third eye is connected like only a handful of people on this planet's are. He's able to see things in a way very few can. If you're interested in metaphysics and the such, he's worth a read.

"Riskfactor" posting on a forum in 2011.

The disgustingly typical common dismissal of yours of Drew's worth is telling. Can't handle anything too far beyond your comfort zone so you don't at all engage, as Drew would say, with his information. Much of which is simply discerning the fundamental structure linking revered traditional scriptures and cuttingedge science and it's explication in human life on Earth.
Then of course you project by claiming he is not engaging well... you're right, but you are still denying your hypocrisy, as you are too scared to admit that the reason you say you don't appreciate any of his writing is probably not because it is all false but because it is occult to your limited mind.
You can't argue with the facts and are too dumb to handle his points so you resort to smear tactics.
Who cares if some nut spams the net. It is only disruptive to the weak of mind. Fact is Drew has an "original" conclusion that deserves global discussion and you censor it like a welltrained shill, which I assume you are not.

Drew's idea. 2:3 is Yang, 3:4 is Yin... ie 666 is Yang. But he might repeat it like the example below, at which 99% of readers will throw their hands up in incomprehension and only folk like me, a stubborn OneTruthLover, bother to really get what he is saying. To say his is crazy is stupidly missing the point, plus to which he seems saner than most of the zombies who pretend humanity. He may a mixed up lake but at least he is not a puddle of puke.
Brace yourselves,
"I've posted that in fact musicologist Ernest McClain had already gleaned this from Plato -- see his Pythagorean Plato -- and that in fact while 5/4 was the Greek Miracle as the cube root of two leading to amplitude as classical mathematics for 3 dimensional form

the Tai Chi Perfect 5th-4th as 2:3 and 3:4 Yang and Yin (my discovery) is the QUANTUM secret of 2-dimensional energy intensity from frequency, not classical amplitude."

Needless to say he condenses much meaning in few words so you gotta read more his of his spiel to get it. His earliest piece on the greek Miracle is best. Cloud Tiger, a Tai Chi practitioner in the UK, 2009

Hempel, proficient in a wide sprectrum of intellectual pursuits including math and music --- and far from being deluded in any sense of the word as brought forth in the above quote by Hui Neng --- is also an eastern spiritual renaissance master as well. Just as much too, in the aforementioned areas and others far afield, as a search of his name will show, or did before he just simply disappeared into cyber space or infinity, he was one of the most prolific contributors on the net. His writings and books lean heavily toward a variety of eastern spiritual aspects, with a strong personal emphasis on qigong and meditation executed almost exclusively through the use of the full lotus position.

Additionally, even though Drew has resurfaced and available for interaction to all comers, I have however, NOT changed any of the above content of the original page because in my opinion it still remains highly relevant, showing all kinds of insight into who and where Hempel comes from, from any number of angles. Good to hear you are back. The internet wasn't the same without you.

The Wanderling, advaita meditation online site page on Drew Hempel

First we have to address the root of this possible problem.

the main root of all of this is the conceptual axiom that the parts of a system should be symmetrical if it desires to be in HARMONY. This in math is called COMMUTATIVE RING, or AxB=BxA.

From this principle (the commutative ring) we created a body of rules and paradigms in science, and even in religion, that separates our perception from nature itself (our game of denying being part of it) For example, as someone on this forum talked about maxwell´s quaternions in here. To work with an asymmetrical principle (most of things in nature) with our math that has as a main basic principle the commutative ring we first need to CHANGE what we gonna study, I mean, our science takes the information in nature which is assymétrical and DIVERGENT and converts it to an symmetrical and CONVERGENTE group of data to work with.
This is, as a principle, exactly what we did with the musical scales, as drew demonstrated.

In ancient music we got the asymmetrical intervals and, mainly since old non-pre-socratic Greece, we develop the obsession and the desire to “correct” it´s ugliness (natural asymmetry), so we transformed ancient music into symmetrical intervals. Buy by doing so we generate a comma, an extra group of data that can´t be used and should be discarded and watched over to avoid its return, because if this comma returns to the scale, it will create a hell of a mess to the fragile artificial symmetry we applied to it. So, conceptualy, the kind of technology we create, it prefers to change nature into artificial symmetry instead of flowing with it.

So it´s a matter of the right tool for the right job. And our Math has no asymmetrical tool for the job. IT´s all about the commutative ring, so even when working with asymmetrical systems (like nature) it has to convert it into symmetrical to process it. IT´s simple, drew is saying that western math and music take what is divergent (spiraling out) by nature and converge it before giving any kind of result. It´s a fact. Check, I don´t know, Wikipedia?, to get informations about the commutative ring and the non-commutative ring.

Now, I´m not 100% with drew on the consequences of “raping” nature with symmetry. I do know drew for the last 10yrs. Or so. I´m very good at math and good enough in music. I´m so-so in physics, i´ve studied electrical engineer for two yrs before change my mind and go to journalism school and drop it too to work as a photographer and illustrator and now as a computer graphics animator and advertising film director. So I have some background to understand a great chunk of drew hypothesis.

We try to solve all with symmetry, as the case with the music intervals, therefore, as in the case of music intervals, we create commas in science and all the range of activities that rely on science.

So this is the radical part of this use of musical model to explain things: if we try to understand nature (that is asymmetrical and divergent) with concepts and tools that are symmetrical and convergent) we gonna create dissonances in return and enter in a cycle of solving a dissonance with more symmetry to generate even more dissonance in the next octave ´till we # everything up! (we are already doing so! Our tech gives us marvelous stuff at the same time it acidify the oceans ending up #ing up with animals that depends on ultrasound for communication to reproduction. Our tech gives us marvelous tools as computer hi-res screens, but in return any cycle above 30hz is with time stressful to the human cells, etc, etc.)

non-commutative is so alien to our understand of thing that, as an example, if you go to Mr. Wolfram Math repository site you gonna find only ONE EMPTY page about it!!non-commutative is so alien to our understand of thing that, as an example, if you go to Mr. Wolfram Math repository site you gonna find only ONE EMPTY page about it!!

Now let´s go to the possible solutions for this.

1.full-lotus as a solution. Drew said full-lotus can transform the excess of electrochemical information in the lower body into electromagnectic information in the upper body. Some angry scientific trolls started to make fun of it.

for the materialistic people the thing is in the physiology.

siting in full-lotus will put a great chunk of pressure into your SACRUM! The sacrum is empty and pressure there will start to create small levels of ultra sound that will TRANSDUCE the energy from electrochemical into electromagnetic (remember, SOUND is PRESSURE WAVES, and it´s been prove that ultrasound can transduce energy from one state to other… use uncle google, he is your friend!! )… so this is one of the main reasons why full-lotus is a great tool.

It took me one year of daily chikung to sit in full-lotus with ease, before my one year of spring forest qigong I could barely sit in freestyle (like an north American indian) for more than a couple of minutes without felling a hell of pain in my back and legs!

After i´ve learned to sit in full-lotus, it´s a #ing bliss, full-lotus and half-lotus all day long. I even cut the legs from all my tables in my studio so I can sit in full-lotus and half-lotus anternated all day!!

So it´s one solution, but it´s a personal one.

2. Music create patterns in our brain.
It´s known that music create patterns in our brain. So if we just listen to music made with symmetrical and proportional intervals, some kind of patterns will form… with non-western music (mostly live, since hard to find speakers in home and computers that can produce ultrasound! ) so with non-western music we can generate other kind of patterns, since the intervals are asymmetrical. Drew have posted links to papers demonstrated, among otherthings, how ultrasound can stimulate the brain, the center of the brain, so on.

Also, Pineal Gland is a place made for sonoluminescence production. See? Pineal gland has fluid and cavitation in it! So with ultrasound stimulus in it we can ionize it a lot, we can produce tons of melatonie, and also we can generate little bubbles of light! By my personal experience, seeing light while practicing small universe (the oldest meditation that exist, it´s part of spring forest chikung and also is a “secret” inside the kriya yoga school) is relaxing, insightful and healing.
So, changing the king of music we listen to is a way of changing the patterns in our brain and so maybe it will reflect in the patterns we create in the world too.

3.creating a science where natural resonance ratios are important.
Well, this third item i´ll say nothing, since it´s what i´m working for the past 5 yrs. But a simple example of using natural resonance (non-comutative) musical ratios in technology is The Sonic Bloom, it´s a kit with audio from birds generating the fifth and forth in a repeated way so the intensity will affect the plants cells to expand more, taking more nutrients. It´s amazing. I use it to feed my home grown food (i´m a raw vegetarian) as my wife garden.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg…

Now those open minded, the daily practice of small universe from spring forest qigong, or the listening of music without symmetrical intervals, or the use of tech like the sonic bloom are just a few of the examples of the changes we can make personally or collectively to a better and more harmonious world.
And those so full of the “right” paradigm, well, you can keep projecting your anger on drew, it´s funny to read your assumptions about my crazy druid friend!

KALLISTI and have a nice day and a lovely life!
Guto Novo.
Correspondent for 15 years in Brazil

Seriously drew is next level, beyond even Dobbs, Ebert, Heidegger, Mcluhan etc.
Another UK practitioner-philosopher
"The universe and I came into being together; I and everything therein are One."

"If then all things are One, what room is there for speech? On the other hand, since I can say the word 'one' how can speech not exist? If it does exist, we have One and speech -- two; and two and one -- three(14) from which point onwards even the best mathematicians will fail to reach (the ultimate); how much more then should ordinary people fail?">"

- Chuang Tzu, 300 BCE

"Sound is the bridge between God and the soul" SHRI DHYANYOGI

a “universal scaling system”, ... this discrete scaling manifests itself in acoustic systems, as is well known in western classical music, where the two scalings correspond, respectively, to passing to the octave (frequency ratio of 2) and transposition (the perfect fifth is the frequency ratio 3/2), with the approximate value log(3)/ log(2) ∼ 19/12 responsible for the difference between the “circulating temperament” of the Well Tempered
Clavier and the “equal temperament” of XIX century music. It is precisely the irrationality of log(3)/ log(2) which is responsible for the noncommutative [complementary opposites as yin/yang] nature of the quotient corresponding to the three places {2, 3,∞}. -
Math professor (Fields medal) Alain Connes on quantum music as noncommutative time-frequency origin of reality from infinite spiral of perfect fifths!
Our brain is an incredible ....perceives things in momentum space of the photons we receive and manufactures a mental picture. Which is geometric. But what I am telling you is that I think ...that the fundamental thing is spectral [frequency]....And somehow in order to think we have to do an enormous Fourier Transform...on geometry. By talking about the "music of shapes" is really a fourier transform of shape and the fact that we have to do it in reverse. Alain Connes, 2012
Stanford Quantum physicist Eddie Oshins:
This representation only works for the (more fundamental) 1/2-integral representations (i.e. spinors/turns/quaternions) but also lets one build the vector and tensor representations. The converse does not hold....this property of "noncommutivity" in itself might be valuable in some way.
My claim, and original idea, has been that this is circumnavigating a T'ai Chi (Yin/Yang) symbol! More recently (Oshins, 1993b) I have suggested that this proximate technique can be used to realize Wing Chun kung-fu's "bong sau/tan sau" movement out of the Kauffman/Oshins "quaternionic arm" discussed and referenced below in end note 5.
I believe that this may be a way to get mind to code the relative relationship of part of oneself with respect to the rest of oneself (self-referential motion) and can explain the concepts of being "centered"/"one"/"integrated"/"extended"/"whole" etc. which one strives for in meditation.
Oshins, E. (1993). A Test for Classical Psychospinors. (pdf) In Abdullah, F. (Ed.) Conservation and Invariance. Cambridge, UK: Alternative Natural Philosophy Association, London England.

Manfred Euler's 2013 description of acoustic STM - Scanning Tunnelling Microscopy builds on his previous connections between the quantum acoustic realms.
Near-field imaging with sound waves compelling demonstrates the inadequacy of pictorial realism and promotes more abstract views of the reality displayed.
A comparison of sound and matter waves clarifies that these [noncommutative] limitations exist in principle.
2016: de Broglie clocks as synchronization: a tangible model of how mass emerges.
matter waves are locally in phase with the particle clocks (de Broglie's Law of Phase Harmony).

The clock runs forever so it's self-sustaining (consciousness-energy). It resonates with the quantum vacuum. The harmonic beats create dynamic energy.

So then you have a "phase particle" that can be faster than the speed of light - superluminal - and a "mass particle" that is slower than the speed of light as the "group wave" of the "phase wave." The beats of the phase wave then are "in resonance" with the quantum vacuum - and so create mass from the massless field, explaining the Higgs mechanism.

"Universal coherence" - a "mind boggling outlook."

Coherence as consciousness.
"Ghost Tones"
Manfred Euler is a Professor Emeritus of Physics at the University of Kiel.

It's actually a Klein Bottle so you can't see the 5th dimension.

The red is a logarithmic singularity - but that is just classical physics.

So the foundation of reality is quantum - which is noncommutative phase as the 5th dimension.

So light as a photon is a point but as a wave it is nonlocal - but this means it is in 2 places at the same time - as the 5th dimension that is noncommutative.

People think that doesn't make sense - how can it be in two places at the same time? Actually basic music theory explains this.

So for example the Perfect Fifth is C to F as subharmonic 2/3 while the Perfect Fifth is C to G overtone harmonic as 3/2.

So C = 2 while F=3=G at the same time. That is noncommutative phase. It is also called "Fourier Uncertainty" or "time-frequency uncertainty" - and that is the true foundation of reality.

So for example de Broglie - studying relativity - realized Einstein had a problem - as energy goes to the speed of light then time as wavelength slows down, gets bigger. That means as frequency goes higher then time also gets bigger. That violates a fundamental property since Pythagoras that frequency is inverse to time as wavelength (from music theory).

So de Broglie realized since quantum physics is real there has to be a phase wave that is faster than the speed of light. So you have a mass wave that is the "group phase" - and then you have a particle phase that is called the "internal clock" or a 2nd clock that is the phase wave of the particle - also called the "pilot wave" - and this comes back from the future.

So there is a Harvard physicist who works with Stephen Hawking - and this Harvard Physicist says that the future already exists and reality is a holograph. So the 4D universe is actually a projection of this 5th dimension of noncommutative phase that is time-like.

This is how precognition is real.

Friday, July 14, 2017

Living in a Hole in the Ground: the Apocalyptic A-Frame

As I drove up north, I saw the pile of pallets I had been eyeing indeed had a "free" sign. Amazingly there were 2 pallets, identical, with solid tops to them (a kind of plywood as particle board). So meaning I suddenly had roofing, as I needed some water proofing.

So I was hauling up the biochar I made about a week ago. And when I checked on the water hole I dug - lo! The water level was much higher. I thought I would need to dig deeper, and maybe I do, but as of now, the water table only starts about 3 1/2 feet deep into the ground. It looked like a beautiful pool of deep drinking water! Wow!!

That is an amazing treasure considering Professor Guy McPherson predicts people not having water as being dependent on their electrical water pumps or various other "grid" water supplies. Not me - if I can drive up north - I can survive into the apocalypse until the radiation gets too bad. haha. I have WATER!

Now - how to keep it warm in the winter! I have plexiglass over it as passive solar but there's no direct sun - and so it won't be enough. So I began putting up the pallets - and the steep A-frame was held up very tentatively by the cardboard - thick cardboard "rims" to the pallet - edges to hold up the boxes of the pallet - stapled to the pallet.

So I used tensegrity to hold the A-frame together - first I had the cardboard edge going one direction on one end of the pallet and the other direction on the other side - to kind of "lock" the two pallets together - one holding the other pallet up on one end and vice versa. If I didn't do this the two pallets did not stay up at all - so it was still quite tentative.

As I was digging the hole to live in - I hit roots and had the typical reaction of not wanting to dig out the roots. Until I realized that that Native indigenous use of roots is as cordage! So suddenly I had the means to tie the pallets together at top - as the roots are quite strong when dry. So I made 7 ties of 7 roots - which then made the 2 pallets fairly stable.

But obviously a strong storm, and ageing of the roots - it's not gonna hold. Besides I needed some kind of "eave" over where the two pallets joined together - and I noticed this big stainless steel edge to a truck - like the mud step to get into the truck.

So this is how I like to operate - just go with the flow, use "found" parts on the fly - and McGyver it - as the t.v. featuring a supposed Minnesotan would do - and I put the metal long edge over the top of the two pallets.

Now to hold the metal in place - I had lots of clay but I knew it needed a binder as the clay would just get soft when wet. So I had all the biochar and reasoned - it should work as a binder. One - the black biochar would be great to hold heat. But also lime ash from wood ash is used to water proof "cement" so I figured it must have some wood ash to it and also biochar is extremely absorbant.
 The liming capacity of biochars could be attributed to their CaCO 3 equivalent (Fig. 9.) and surface functional groups. here
So with clay it should work to increase the water-proofing along with insulating - the clay would store heat and radiate it out. Sure enough Biochar is mixed with Clay as a "plaster"!

Then I realized the clay and biochar would also absorb the toxic glue that was used to create the "plywood" - that was really particle board. It just smelled like fresh cut wood to me - but doing the alchemy training requires fresh clean air. That is the great benefit of this forest land - the air is very sweet from the evergreens or the tamarck I mean - that is blooming now with soft needles.

O.K. so the biochar clay plaster as it dried got very strong! Now the A-frame seemed solid - but keep in mind that each end does not even line up - one each side - one side could just "fall" down if pushed hard enough. So then I reasoned that weight on the other side of the "free" side would help to hold it from falling - as the board on top would push it back into the ground. AGain to utilize tensegrity principles. So I added extra weight on the opposite sides of the A-frame against the opposite side of the lower level of the A-frame.

Then I used the biochar clay - I had to keep adding water from buckets or pitchers that I dipped into my water hole and soaked the clay and then broke the clay up into small pieces to smash the water into the clay. Then mix the clay into the biochar - again just like cooking - get an ideal mixture that is like bread dough.

Only now I was plastering the sides of the A-frame so didn't need as steep or heavy of a batch as on the top. The weight on the top then held the A-frame down, again using tensegrity - the weight worked against the two sides to drive them against each other. So this is definitely a "free standing" - shelter - as the code states something "fixed" to the ground is a structure that needs a permit. But also the structure has to be higher than 30 inches and yet this A-frame is only approximately 24 inches high. haha.

That's why I dug the trench - or coffin if you will - I call it a reverse Cot-Tent - instead of a cot above ground, it's a "cot" below ground. I didn't finish the digging as I then have two more plans. The new Hunter stove will be experimented with to see if my duct pipes that I bought can be "turned around" to the floor - to heat the floor and then go into the water hole. So I have to dig under the A-frame to a lower level to the water hole - to get the duct pipe through to the water hole. I'll seal the pipe in so the exhaust fumes don't come back into the A-frame.

And then on the other end - outside of the A-frame I am piling up the clay I dig out - into a wall outside the perimeter of the trench. This wall then will enable the trench to create enough space for me to stand up in. That's the plan - as then I will put the canvas tent on that open end only the tent will be elevated off the wall. So the tent will only need one end supported by the center pole. As that Army pup tent has 2 sets of poles in the center, made from 3 sections each, but the pole sections are not very stable. Only one set of 3 sections fits together well.

So this way the A-frame will support the Amy pup canvas tent on one end but the tent will angle down to the A-frame, from the higher up wall that will hole the other end of the tent with the pole. And the sides of the tent will go to the wall.

That way I'll have more room for the stove-heater duct pipes, as the stove heater is itself 16 inches tall. The trench is only about 16 inches deep.

Obviously it is difficult to visualize without photos - but up on the Apocalypse land I don't have a camera or phone. haha. It's just me and literally a million or a zillion mosquitoes.

At any moment literally 50 mosquitoes are biting me at once! So I made sure to wear two shirts - since these mosquitoes luckily are small - for some reason - maybe they're still juveniles. But most don't have the strength to puncture through the 2 shirts - and one its long sleeve.

Of course I was covered in mud - or clay I mean. Clay is not so "dirty" but definitely my face was covered in clay. So I washed my face at the gas station - as the watering hole was not as clean any more - it needed filtering. And that is what I saved the last big bin of biochar for and I stored it under my new A-frame. Biochar is quite heavy - and maybe it had just still had a lot of water in it from the rains we got. But we also got a lot of sun so I figured it should have dried out by now. But biochar as a filter will filter out the arsenic - if any - and there is likely some inorganic arsenic, as the first level of clay has it. Also the clay will get filtered out by the biochar.

So overall this is the smallest living space possible - literally a long trench just wide enough to sit in full lotus. Hopefully tall enough to stand up on one end. But it is much easier to heat that way using less wood and the Hunter stove is designed to use as little wood as possible with the cleanest burn as possible.

So I know from experience that the leaves I rake - we get tons of oak leaves - when I made an A-frame shelter before - I was able to maintain 50 degrees temperature in very cold weather - just by having 3 foot thick walls of leaves as insulation. So I plan to bring up the leaves from the yard.

So I call it a coffin as with the leaves, biochar and - pallets - the thing is a tinder box that will go up with a spark. But the fire will be on the other end - with just the canvas tent to contend with and the clay walls. Since the heat will emanate out of that end then hopefully I can keep the leaves away from that end. The clay mixed with the biochar should prevent the biochar from igniting too easily. The leaves will get added only after it cools down enough so the weather is not too hazardous.

Compost as leaves can self-ignite if the conditions are right - if enough heat builds up. And if someone did decide to light up my A-frame it would be the apocalypse for me - but maybe I could bust through the wall at the end into my water hole for quick relief. haha. So we are talking about 3 feet wide and about 10 feet long - as the A-frame with the tent. It's a very tiny space that will be heated. So I'll have 2 other tents for storage of things that don't require heating but will then have some - at least shelter from the snow. Although they will still be frozen, I can then defrost things in my little heated space.

Digging down only a few feet at most doesn't seem to make much difference but actually it felt dramatically cooler - when I sat down under the A-frame - as the Earth does maintain the 50 to 60 degrees. And so with super insulation it will help maintain that - I will then add the 2nd plexiglass on the south-west end of the A-frame - as a window that will get passive solar and also will be on top of the water hole plexiglass. I'll angle it to get better sun and then put the biochar clay around it.

So as I worked - half the time I was just trying to visualize what I was working with and if there was any hope of it working. I'm still not sure but that is the plan to go on so far. It seems crazy and it is but for yogi meditators - like Tibetans will "live in a box" for a few years - to force a meditation position of sleeping upright for a few years. Others will do cave meditation although the caves can be quite spacious. But never the less - meditating in a "hut" does not preclude a small A-frame hut aka trench in the ground.

The key is to maintain direct "contact" with the Earth so I need to make sure whatever material I use as a "floor" is conductive enough. So I will look into that. It needs to be firm but comfortable for sitting on. I like clay but it just covers the clothes - it's a great natural mosquito repellent - but it definitely seals in the crazy hermit look.

So to stave off the apocalypse - at least for me a bit - I need to add "trusses" underneath the A-frame just to make sure it doesn't collapse as easily. I kept tentatively testing its solidity and as the biochar-clay dried - the A-frame felt really solid. But obviously I was not "trying" to pull the thing down. I didn't want to ruin what I had done so far. So I have to make little trusses underneath - and maybe I can then hang stuff for drying, etc.

Actually our house went back on the market as we needed to do more repairs to the house. So who knows if I will ever move into the Apocalyptic A-frame at all! But I needed to get the biochar off our land here - for selling purposes - and now I have used a lot of it already! I just improvised today - as I like improvising. I also was a good food source for the bugs.

So the question I'm trying to answer is about the "double wall" insulated flue duct pipe I bought. Can I use that for the "rocket storage mass" or does it have to be single wall?

The answer so far is a 6 inch duct pipe has 4 times faster flow rate than a 3 inch duct pipe. So the Hunter stove has 3 inch and I bought 4 inch - and so that means it will flow slower with more friction - plus I am turning the pipe 180 degrees - but it is just traveling in a single path after that.

So maybe it will flow slow enough that enough heat will conduct through the double wall duct pipe. But maybe not.

Well I guess I'll find out when I "experiment' with the Hunter stove-heater here once it arrives - I'll build a "mock up" version, like I tried with the Survivor Rocket Stove (the problem with that is I didn't even realize that the Rocket Stove requires the bottom to be completely clear as the air comes in through the bottom. No wonder it didn't work! haha.).

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