Birthday Tribute to Kenneth Chung youtube from 2 months ago
Position/Structure can over come other people's speed and power. Sensitivity/Timing will give you speed and power.
The Strangeness of Wing Chun - Kenneth Chung youtube
Eddie Oshins was a senior student of Kenneth Chung
Kenneth Chung emphasizes you have to feel his energy to properly train with him and he can hold his own to Tai Chi, etc.
And so what is the secret of Position/Structure and Sensitivity/Timing?
We already know from Eddie Oshins - it is noncommutative phase.
I have posted the below as a thread on an "internal martial arts" forum. But since this information is quite radical to the Westernized mindset - I will repost it here - just in case my thread gets censored. haha.
So in reviewing the source googlebook -
“the right hand grabs the white tiger, left hand grabs the green dragon,”
http://springforestqigong.com qigong master Chunyi Lin
Taichi: A Personal Learning Experience, Part 1
By Arthur T. Orawski
I didn't realize he is actually a student of Waysun Liao out of Chicago....
And
he mentions how anyone part of the Green Dragon Society - going back
thousands of years - would be taught this secret of Tai Chi - the white
tiger is the lung (yin qi of the po soul, the origin of the generative
force of the body) and the green dragon is the yin qi of the hun soul,
the origin of the generative force of heart spirit)....
O.K. so why
are there no other sources for it on the interwebs? The only other
source is from Feng Shui stating the right side is female, west and the
white tiger, the left side is male, east and the green dragon. He cites
this book Wu Dzing Pian as the source.
O.K. I found a second source!!
3. The White Dragon Plays in the Clouds
This movement will be familiar to all persons who practice T'ai Chi
Ch'uan (Taijiquan). In Taijiquan, various names for this movement
include: Moving Hands Like Clouds, Waving Hands Like Clouds, Playing
with Clouds, Wave Hands in Clouds, Cloud Hands 云手 : Yun Shou. The
Taijiquan the feet and hands move gracefully in a coordinated manner,
while in Dragon Qigong the hands and waist move but both feet do not
move.
Stand with your feet separated apart at a comfortable
distance. Bring your right hand up to about the level of your mouth,
palm facing towards the body. Bring you left hand up to about the level
of your belly button, with your left palm facing towards the body.
Your feet will remain flat on the ground during the entire exercise.
Pause in this Wuji position. Inhale and exhale deeply a few times in
the Wuji position: relax the abdomen as you inhale, draw the abdomen in
as you exhale (natural abdominal breathing method). Figure 3.1
Slowly and gently turn at the waist towards the right side. Inhale as
you turn to the right side. Turn as far as you can to the right side.
When you reach your limit then exchange your hands by bringing the left
hand up to the level of your mouth and by bringing your right hand down
to the level of your belly button. Figures 3.2 and 3.3
Start to
slowly and gently turn at the waist towards the left side. Exhale as
you turn to the left side. Turn as far as you can to the left side.
When you reach your limit then exchange your hands by bringing the right
hand up to the level of your mouth and by bringing your left hand down
to the level of your belly button. Figure 3.4 and 3.5
Then begin again to turn back to the right side as you inhale. Figure 3.5, and 3.2
At first the movement sequence will seem a bit stiff and mechanical.
After numerous practice sessions, this "Cloud Hands" movement will
become more fluid, flexible, playful, and flowing. You will begin to
become the White Dragon Playing in the Clouds.
Repeat this
movement sequence to the right side and left side for four to eight
repetitions depending upon the time available and/or your level of
physical conditioning. Don't hold the breath; breathe freely and easily
in coordination with the movements. Take your time; move slowly and
deliberately. I like to bend my knees and sink down a bit during parts
of this movement - don't keep the knees stiff. Flow like a Dragon in
the moving clouds. Be sure to turn at the waist.
Interesting
- no mention of the Tiger!! But yet it is the SAME secret. But on
deeper digging Michael P. Garofalo has lots on Dragon and Tiger:
"In ancient Chinese culture, the dragon usually represents the yang or
male forces of nature and the tiger the yin or female forces. Balancing
those energies inside yourself is an essential part of this ancient
self-healing system. In China, the words "dragon" and "tiger" appear in
many branches of qigong and in various martial arts.
Taoists brought Dragon and Tiger Qigong to China's Shaolin temple, where
it was preserved intact by Chan Buddhists. This was the original form
of qigong from which the usage of the words "dragon" and "tiger" entered
into the world of martial arts and qigong. Dragon and Tiger Qigong was
commonly taught only to the Shaolin high clergy and not to the general
public or ordinary monks. For this reason, many people in China still
refer to it as a form of Buddhist qigong. However, because Dragon and
Tiger develops and integrates the internal energetic principles of
neigong, it is deeply rooted in Taoist qigong."
- Bruce Frantzis, Dragon and Tiger Qigong, p.4
And this is really the key quote:
"The dragon and tiger are respectively the yang and yin components
of generative energy. Other names for the dragon are: the yang dragon
that hides with the fluid, the yin within the yang (symbolized by the
broken line flanked by two solid lines in the trigram Li), the vapor
within the fluid, the vapor of pure yang, and the true fire. Other
names for the tiger are: the yin tiger that hides within the vapor, the
yang within the yin (symbolized by the solid line flanked by two broken
lines in the trigram Kan), the fluid within the vapor, the fluid of pure
yin (or the vapor of pure yin), and the true water. The dragon and
tiger are therefore the components or ingredients of mundane generative
energy. Do not confuse them with their carriers, fluid and vapor.
Central to the preservation and cultivation of generative energy is the
process known as the copulation of the dragon and tiger.
The yin and yang components of generative energy meet and merge to
become purified generative energy, which is also called the primordial
vapor. The process begins with the vapors of pure yang (dragon) and
pure yin (tiger) rising from the base of the spine and traveling
separately up the spine and through the shoulder blades. When the
vapors reach the head, they interact (copulate) and merge to become one
unified vapor. This unified vapor descents to the palate of the mouth
and is manifested as nectar, a sweet, sticky fluid. Swallowed down the
throat, the nectar enters the middle tan-t'ian (in the area of the solar
plexus) and eventually completes its circuit when it reaches the base
of the spine again."
- Nourishing the
Essence of Life: The Outer, Inner and Secret Teachings of Taoism.
Translated with and Introduction by Eva Wong. Boston, Shambhala, 2004.
Pages 9-10, 8-23,94.
Translation of three texts from the
Daoist Canon, circa 1400 CE, called The Mysteries of the Tao (Tao-hsuan
p'ien), Understanding the Mysteries (Wu-shuan p'ien), and the Sacred
Treatise on the Great Mystery (T'ai-hsuan pao-tien) of the Complete
Reality School of Daoism.
John
Chang, famed Daoist alchemist healer using right hang grabbing white
tiger lungs and left hand grabbing green dragon liver secret
We can
see the confusion: Tiger and Dragon are contained within each other -
and hide as vapor in fluid and vice versa but BOTH tiger and dragon are
yin qi energy..... manifested through the resonance of complementary
opposites.....
Bruce Frantzis style of Tiger and Dragon qigong youtube
So it gives the movements but nothing about white tiger as lungs and green dragon as liver....
And so when we return back to the actual alchemy text it gives a slightly different meaning of the tiger
, p. 41 ( “The sun stands for the heart and the moon for the lower tan
t'ien cavity (under the navel), respectively symbolized by the dragon
(female or negative vitality) [yin qi] and the tiger (the male or
positive vitality) [Yuan Qi].”
Taoist Yoga
Which
is to say now the tiger is what above was called the purified
generative energy, which is also called the primordial vapor and it is
created AFTER the energy is cycled through the pineal gland and then
swallowed back into the lower tan t'ien.....
“However if he can unite the element of metal (male) with that of
wood (female) and the sun and the moon in one place….he will see the
light of true vitality in front of his original cavity of spirit which
will then hold it to prevent it from running away; the longer it is held
the brighter it will be. When it becomes stable it reveals the
successful union of the dragon and tiger (i.e. the female and male vital
breaths).” p. 72
AND SO NOW - we get
clarification. The male or positive vitality is the metal as the lung
energy. And so the right hand is yin as lower body - that goes against
the yang of the lung as yuan qi energy.... interesting!!
“The left eye stands for the East whose element is wood….” p. 65
“…the female element of moon is the wood….” p. 85
O.K. this is what I forgot!! the left eye is Moon as yin qi energy and
then turns into Sun as the yuan shen.... If I remember correctly....
So
the liver qi is moon as yin qi.....the moon within the Sun of the fire
heart spirit. While the lung as metal is yuan qi yang.....
thereby
finalizing the connection of the negative vitality as the source of the
positive spirit of the sun of the left eye. From the glossary:
“negative fire in the stove” [lower tan tien]
fire derived from prenatal vitality is “negative fire” in the house of water….
“spirit in li” the house of fire (the heart) is essential nature.
Nature-vitality is negative
golden light reveals the fullness of the “negative vitality within the generative force.”
O.K. so that digs deeper in the mystery....
that the Dragon is the yin within the yang of the Sun fire
So when Dragon is in the Sun-Fire it is the Moon-wood-female-yin or negative fire....
the Tiger is the yang within the yin of the water Moon
And
so the Tiger is the Lung Metal Yuan Qi source of the generative fluid -
so the fire within the water or yang sun within the moon.
You can see HOW Complicated this is!! haha.
When I search Bruce Frantzis book on Dragon and Tiger qigong for Lung - I get one hit that mentions dragon!
Dang!!
So far I have the book Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality corroborating Waysun Liao - so I will stick with that for now....
O.K.
so Bruce Frantzis has an image saying "moving 1 energizes the lungs and
liver" - and the movement 1 on the youtube vid is the same more or less
as the "moving of yin and yang" exercise".....
O.K. so maybe he just doesn't get into all the complicated Taoist Alchemy secrets. haha.
The supreme Yin of the south gives birth the the fire of the heart,
within this fire is the Yin Water.
So
what this means is that the yin qi of the liver is Moon - it will turn
into generative fluid if left to its devices as water... but at the same
time it powers the spirit as the fire of the heart....And my claim to
this effect is corroborated by Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality
stating:
Spirit can only
hold vitality temporarily but lacks the driving power of breathing, and
without breathing, vitality cannot be driven into the channels of
control and function and will drain away by the genital gate; this is
caused by lack of pressure from in and out breathing. p. 87
And this alchemy line?
The supreme Yang of the north gives birth to the water of the kidneys,
within this water is Yang Fire.
What this means then is the Lungs are Yuan qi as yang that is the source of the generative fluid of the Moon ....
O.K. so it makes sense but again it gets very complicated quickly....
The Yin within the Yang is the supreme spirit of Yin,
the essence of the sun.
Again the liver qi.
The Yang within the Yin is the the supreme essence of Yang,
the splendor of the moon.
The yuan qi source of the water tiger.....
The Sacred Treatise on the Great Mystery, T'ai-hsuan Pao-tien, circa 1200 CE
Translated by Eva Wong, Nourishing the Essence of Life, p. 94
So here is the secret - the "yin" of the fire is the liver of the heart while the yang of the water is the lungs.
So
what the common saying of alchemy says to take from the water to feed
the dragon as fire - that means a FULL cycle of the energy since it has
to go through the pineal gland to get purified and returned back to the
lower tan t'ien, now the dragon, instead of tiger.
I just word searched where I got that image and NO HITS for liver nor lung!! Hilarious - they don't know the SECRET
That is the secret of Dragon and tiger interchanging....as real alchemy.
Hence when yang (fire) contains a yin essence, it is known as wood
(lesser yang) and when yin (water) contains a yang essence, it is known
as metal (lesser yin)….just as greater yang (fire) grows from lesser
yang (wood), so must fire be retracted back into wood. Just as greater
yin (water) grows from lesser yin (metal), so must water be retracted
back into metal. The two retracted halves - wood and metal, lesser yang
and lesser yin, are then able to form the perfect earthly balance. This
retraction and unification of yin and yang provides the matrix in which
the golden embryo grows or is cultivated. 'Taking from water (☵) to fill
in fire (☲)’: The History and Dynamics of Daoist Alchemy by Aaron
Cheak, Ph.D.
So Aaron Cheak does know the real
secret - but does he know that is also the secret of the Dragon and
Tiger Tai Chi "moving hands like clouds" movement?
So this is why my "Idiot's Guide" article is confused on this - it is not clear. But now I have clarified things....
There
was another great explanation of this process in a Tai Chi book from
the UK - let's see if I can find it again.... NOW that I Have a handle
on this stuff a bit better....
But you see where the
noncommutative phase aspect comes in - it take the Quick Fire breathing
to drive the yin qi of the liver back up above to keep it from turning
into generative fluid - and so to turn it back into the air of water....
Tai Chi Chüan: Harmonizing Taoist Belief and Practice - Jeaneane D. Fowler, Shifu Keith Ewers
This is it!! O.K. now to get the quote...
The triagram Li is fire and predominantly yang, but the important
middle line is yin, and so the Dragon is female. It is the yin essence
in the yang, water in fire, the female in the male, the moon in the sun.
It is referred to as Green Dragon....It is water that rises, being
heated, and is therefore fiery but yielding, rising to Heaven.
The triagram K'an/Kan is Water and predominantly yin and female. But
the middle line is yang and alchemically it is the yang in the yin, the
White Tiger, ....its function is to descend to Earth when fire reacts
with it. It is the fire in the water.
So THIS is Damo Mitchell....
In
the alchemical process, the yang in the water is used to settle the yin
in the fire: the water rises and the fire descends. Thus the solid yang
line is taken out of the Water to replace the middle yin line in the
Fire, thus producing Heaven.
That's Triplex Unity:
“the male of kan [water] is the sun and the female of li [fire] is the moon."
So
the deep breathing brings the lung qi DOWN to then pull the FIRE (the
liver qi) DOWN with it... NOW I GET IT.... I was wondering why the LUng
qi DESCENDS. Since it is Water as Tiger with yang in it... so it
descends - that's what the water refers to....
The
Lungs also direct Qi downward. A full inhalation can only occur when
the Lungs send Qi down to the Kidneys, which in turn “Grasp The Qi.”
This is essentially “Dantian Breathing,” or “Kidney Breathing,” the deep
abdominal breathing advocated in meditation, Nei Gong and the martial
arts. For this reason, natural deep breathing is of paramount importance
in the internal arts.
Tom Bisio, author of Nei Gong: The Authentic Classic (Nei Gong Zhen Chuan)
Again the secret is the LUNG qi pulls down the FIRE of the heart (the liver qi) - since the lung qi is WATER.... Gotcha!!
But Fowler and Ewers took down their book? it's not on google anymore.
Since alchemy is concerned in the first place with the inner lines of
the trigrams Li [fire] and Kan [water], the paradox of reversal
consists in considering Li as female, while logically it should be male
because its Yang-masculine lines are predominant. Analogously, Kan
should be female, but is considered to be male. "The Sun is Li and
belongs to Yang, and instead it is a girl. The Moon is Kan and belongs
to Yin, and instead it is a boy. This is the reversal" (Xiuzhen shishu ,
26.27a.)
Isabelle Robinet confirms my alchemical discovery
So
this paradox is completely explained as the lung/kidney and heart/liver
and how they are reversals within each other, etc. Somebody on a forum
gives a plug for this book:
"Tai
Chi Chuan, Harmonizing Taoist Beliefs and Practice, Jeaneane D. Fowler,
and "Shifu" Keith Ewers (probably the one exception I made to my non
martial sources position, mainly due to Fowler. Her work is some of the
best and clearest on the subject of Taoist history.)
hmmm. Wonder what happened to this book?
He's got a youtube channel - Sifu Keith Ewers
Dragon chases the Moon
http://www.leefamilyinternalarts.com/Keith%20Ewers.html
There we go - a real INternal Arts ALCHEMY lineage!!
the
Heart is considered to be the son of the Liver and the mother of the
Spleen within traditional Chinese medicine the Heart is known as the
emperor of all the internal organs (Zangfu).
https://lfiaa.wordpress.com/
Firstly let me explain what is meant by “Taming the Dragon &
Tiger”. Within Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) they consider the Qi
(energy) inside of us as (Yin) and corresponds to the Dragon (Long),
whereas the Blood or Fire (Huo) that circulates inside us is considered
to be (Yang) and corresponds to the Tiger (Hu). So the heading “Taming
the Dragon & Tiger”
Fascinating....
The Taiji Pole is a central line that runs from the crown of the head
at the (Bai Hui) “Hundred Meetings Du 20” directly through the centre of
the body to the (Hui Yin) “Meeting of Yin Ren 1” located between the
legs.
The Taiji Pole is made up of three major energy
vessels the Governing Vessel (Du Mai) which travels up the length of the
back through the spinal column where it connects to the Conception
Vessel (Ren Mai) that travels down the front of the body. The third
major vessels is the Thrusting Vessel ( Chong Mai) which does travel
through the Taiji Pole. Each of these three major energy vessels store
the vital energy (Qi) and circulate it throughout the entire body
through the Yin & Yang meridians which are connected to the internal
organs (Zangfu).
Taiji is Neigong
One
such aspect is to allow the breath to expand into the back muscles like
the Lattissimus Dorsi muscle on either side of the back, when the
student performs any of the Taiji Qigong exercise where the both arms
are lifted together or in a singular method above the head the back
muscles will come into play and with the intention of breathing deeply
into the lungs like filling a balloon.
O.K. Finally - after speeding reading his blog....
As the Original Feng Shou Quan-Gongfu has its origins within Daoism,
then it is obvious that this internal martial art (Neijiaquan) involves
all of the Daoist symbolises to help give the practitioner a better
understanding and knowledge on how best to skilfully use this internal
martial art for both health, energy cultivation and self defence. The
symbolism of the “Cloud Dragon and Wind Tiger” is just another
repensentation of Yin & Yang, as the Cloud Dragon (Yun Long)
represents the receptive or (Yin) energy and the Wind Tiger ( Feng Hu)
represent the creative or (Yang) energy.
And now the final mystery --- what was the book referred to?
Wuzhen pian - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuzhen_pian
The Wuzhen pian is a 1075 Daoist classic on Neidan-style internal
alchemy. Its author Zhang Boduan (張伯端; 987?–1082) was a Song dynasty
scholar of the Three teachings (Confucianism, Daoism, and Buddhism).
Contents. [hide]. 1 Author; 2 Texts; 3 Commentaries; 4 Title; 5
Translations; 6 References; 7 External links ...
[PDF]Introduction to Awakening to Reality - The Golden Elixir
http://www.goldenelixir.com/files/Intro ... eality.pdf
“Regulated Verses” of the Wuzhen pian, a Taoist Classic of Internal
Alchemy. (Golden Elixir Press, 2009). ... The author of Awakening to
Reality is Zhang Boduan, also known as True. Man of Purple Yang (Ziyang
zhenren). ...... Wu Chên P'ien, Essay on the Understanding of the Truth:
A Contribution to the Study of Chinese ...
Oh this one!!
http://www.goldenelixir.com/jindan/text ... ian_3.html
So I word search for Liver and Lung - NOTHING!! Hilarious
We get more secrets in the commentaries.
therefore the full moon illustrates the symbolic "time" by which the collection of True Yang should happen.
So the metal energy is strongest at full moon - which is why Gabriel Cousens advocates fasting during full moons.....
The symbolic "pound" of Elixir, therefore, is made of eight ounces of Lead and eight ounces of Mercury.
So we now know the "lead' is from the liver qi that has descended. The mercury is from the lung qi....
Wow this is amazing that the Daoist alchemy texts now make sense to me!!
https://www.scribd.com/document/1559496 ... hen-Daoism
So I used the scribd conversion tool over on the ecoecho blog - and then get corroboration:
and
the lead and mercury claim I made above is corroborated - again the
tricky part is realizing it refers to liver and lung energy!!
The
Five Element Creation Fist routine begins as with most Xingyiquan
routines in the Three Body Posture (San Ti Shi). The San Ti Shi is the
most important and most basic training method in Xingyiquan. All
movements in the style do not stray away from the principles of the San
Ti Shi.
Sure enough - right hand is up, while
left hand is down - based on the SECRET of LUNG as yang qi of water,
right hand is yin and LIVER is yin qi of fire, left hand is yang
The
Santi posture is based on the metal element in the Xingyi five element
fists. The metal element corresponds to the Lungs. Therefore by
cultivating in this posture the Lungs and the Kong Chi are greatly
enhanced.
AMAZINGLY - there is no
understanding that the right hand is yin while the lungs are yang - and
this is the real secret of the San Ti Shi posture as the CORE training
of Xingyiquan martial arts internal alchemy!!!! The left hand is yang
while the liver green dragon is yin.
This is just like licking a 9-volt battery.
The skill of Hai Teng [top qigong
master of Shaolin] contains of 108 moves. Both strong and soft. Hai Teng
can still perform at [84 still virile] according to himself, is to keep
his virginity and to always practice the internal ‘Chi.’
But as this documentary of the qigong alchemy Shaolin monk Master Hai Teng details
- maintaining his virginity of both mind and body is the key secret of his alchemy qigong training, at 1 hr, 17-19 mns.
“
What happens next, if you are male? You are having a terrific time with
someone. Maybe you are breathing faster, your heart rate has increased.
Gradually parts of your body are taking on a sympathetic [nervous
system] tone….After awhile, most of your body is screaming sympathetic
while, heroically, you are trying to hold onto the parasympathetic tone
in that one last outpost as long as possible. Finally when you can’t
take it anymore, the parasympathetic shuts off at the penis, the
sympathetic comes roaring on, and you ejaculate.” Robert Sapolsky,Why
Zebras Don’t Get Ulcers(Holt Paperbacks, 2004), p. 124
,
p. 75 “The channel carrying blood and vitality from the right ventricle
of the heart is a vein which is linked with the duct of the testicles
and the restraining nerve; hence the centre of the right palm is the
tiger cavity.”
Taoist Yoga
, p. 110.
So
the book I refer to "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" states that
the right ventricle of the heart is connected to the right testicle and
the right hand as the tiger channel. In western medicine the right
ventricle is controlled by the vagus nerve and the vagus nerve also
controls the testicles - and if you get vagus nerve electrical
stimulation it causes the hands to stop shaking (from Alzheimers or
stroke, etc.)
So it's been proven that if a qigong master
"discharges" qi energy it means that the stored up vagus nerve energy
switches to the sympathetic nervous system.
It’s unbelievable!” says
Gerhard H. Eggetsberger, biochemist and technical head of the Institute
for applied Biocybernetics and Feedback Research, in Vienna.
“This man [qigong master Mantak Chia] is able to change his electrical
skin resistance in a split second from 60 Q up to 6080 Q and to lower it
down again. We even know how he does it – through a kind of sympathetic
reflex. This means that he can simply switch from the Nervus Vagus to
the Nervus Sympaticus. An untrained body would never do this as
completely as he does this. We are scientifically proving spiritual
knowledge that is 6000 years old!” (Through the Power of the Inner
Smile,
http://Universal-tao.com)
So
it appears that by crossing the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous
system it is like connecting the yin and yang of the battery of the
body to build up energy.
http://perceivebelieve.tumblr.com/post/ ... emy-qigong
If anyone doubts the importance of this secret - consider again the 5000 BCE alchemical tomb of the dragon and tiger:
It is validated by a similar later finding:
The skeleton is oriented so that its skull points to the south. The
interest in this discovery lies in the comparison with the astronomical
diagram found in the tomb of Marquis Yi of Zeng (a minor state). It can
be readily identified that in both cases the dragon lies in the east and
the tiger in the west.
and
Suzanne
Cahill, an authority on Xi Wangmu, places her as one of several ancient
“mu divinities” of the directions, “mothers” who are connected to the
sun and moon, or to their paths through the heavens. She notes that the
widespread tiger images on Shang bronze offerings vessels may have been
associated with the western mu deity, an association of tiger and west
that goes back to the neolithic. [Cahill, 12-13] The tomb art of this
province shows the goddess of transcendence seated in majesty on a
dragon and tiger throne. [Liu, 40-3] This magical pair goes back to the
Banpo neolithic, circa 5000 BCE, where they flank a burial at Xishuipo,
Henan. [Rawson, 244] Tiger and dragon represented yin and yang before
the familiar Tai Ji symbol came into use during the middle ages.
The
dragon originated as the crocodile and the tiger and crocodile are used
in Indian alchemy training as well and the crocodile is in Egyptian
alchemy training.... so.
"Sacrifice, Ritual, & Alchemy: The Spiritual Traditions in
Taijiquan," in "Journal of Asian Martial Arts" 6.1, Erie, PA: Via Media
Publishing Company, 1997
Dennis Willmont
http://www.willmountain.com/v/Taijiquan/RIT-TCC.pdf
In Taijiquan it is easier to understand how I/Intention, as a closed
container, can preserve and develop the jing and shen through the
“Standing Postures” where movement is reduced to its extreme
slowness…..The process of “condensing” jing into the bones in the
standing postures is like storing more and more energy in a battery. At a
certain point the jing and bones resonate with the ch'i of the Earth
and one’s deep root is established.
In the Standing Postures,
at the same time one sinks the I and ch'i into the bones in order to
concentrate the jing, one’s conscious awareness (the most basic
definition of shen) is lowered automatically into its associated realm
(Water).
So then he explains that there are
two burials in ancestor worship - after two years the bones are dug up
and reburied, so that the jing of the bones attracts the shen, the bones
now called
huang-jin
(yellow-gold) as alchemy.
thank you for sharing. Yes I finished my master's degree at University of Minnesota by training with Chunyi Lin of
http://springforestqiqong.com and he did the alchemy cave meditation at Mt. Qingcheng in China. It is also taught as part of the Dragon Gate lineage of
http://qigongmaster.com
And
so I did intensive meditation by following the book "Taoist Yoga:
Alchemy and Immortality" and at the Level 3 retreat of Chunyi Lin as he
was sitting in full lotus meditation, I saw spirits arise out of the top
of his skull - shaped like humans but yellow light. They would form and
then break off and float out to people in the retreat center. I never
said anything to anyone but then Chunyi explained that since someone
could see this he would explain what it was. He said he was creating
spirits to heal people.
Then I also saw yellow lights shaped as
humans float in from outside the retreat center - we were at an old
Christian retreat center in the forest in Minnesota. And so they hovered
around Chunyi as he was in full lotus meditation - yellow lights shaped
as humans. And again I did not say anything to anyone but he said since
someone could see this he would explain what it was and said that
spirits come to him regularly to get healed.
And so I had
recently read, as part of my graduate research, the biography of the
most famous monk in Thailand, Phra Acharn Mun - you can read it free
online. He describes the exact same experiences - I mean the ability to
read his students minds and also dead people as spirits coming to him to
get healed while he meditated.
And so as far as created a "Yang
Shen" - Chunyi did say that he knew masters that were in the mountains
of China working on doing this alchemy and that they have a golden aura.
http://www.greendragonsociety.com/
This is what the author of Taichi: A Personal Learning Experience, Part 1
By Arthur T. Orawski was referring to. It seems to be connected to Waysun Liao out of Chicago....
On the vagus nerve and qi energy - I go into this with corroboration here:
http://www.viewzone.com/spiritualhealing22.html
Quantum Biology: Qigong Master John Chang says he is like an electric eel!
Nobel physicist Brian Josephson also practices qigong. I have
corresponded with him. His Josephson Junction is used to measure the
origin of the "volt" by NIST. The Josephson Junction is also what
enables MRI machines. Here is new research on the origin of the volt
from "noncommutative phase" which is the secret of the Tai Chi as the
internal listening energy.
"We
discussed the quantum tunnelling paths in phase space and found that the
quantum tunnelling rate is a complex number due to the noncommutative
geometry of phase space."
"The
coordinate system of a phase space lattice has a noncommutative
geometry which is fundamentally different from spatial lattices. It is
this noncommutative phase space which creates an artificial magnetic
field and is responsible for the asymmetry of the quasienergy band
structure."
Synthesizing lattice structures in phase space - IOPscience
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.10 ... 023006/pdf
by L Guo - 2016
Yes I finished my master's degree at University of Minnesota by training with Chunyi Lin of
http://springforestqiqong.com and he did the alchemy cave meditation at Mt. Qingcheng in China. It is also taught as part of the Dragon Gate lineage of
http://qigongmaster.com
And
so I did intensive meditation by following the book "Taoist Yoga:
Alchemy and Immortality" and at the Level 3 retreat of Chunyi Lin as he
was sitting in full lotus meditation, I saw spirits arise out of the top
of his skull - shaped like humans but yellow light. They would form and
then break off and float out to people in the retreat center. I never
said anything to anyone but then Chunyi explained that since someone
could see this he would explain what it was. He said he was creating
spirits to heal people.
Then I also saw yellow lights shaped as
humans float in from outside the retreat center - we were at an old
Christian retreat center in the forest in Minnesota. And so they hovered
around Chunyi as he was in full lotus meditation - yellow lights shaped
as humans. And again I did not say anything to anyone but he said since
someone could see this he would explain what it was and said that
spirits come to him regularly to get healed.
And so I had
recently read, as part of my graduate research, the biography of the
most famous monk in Thailand, Phra Acharn Mun - you can read it free
online. He describes the exact same experiences - I mean the ability to
read his students minds and also dead people as spirits coming to him to
get healed while he meditated.
And so as far as created a "Yang
Shen" - Chunyi did say that he knew masters that were in the mountains
of China working on doing this alchemy and that they have a golden aura.
So
I asked him about it and he said he had to send her energy several
times and also when she was asleep then her mind didn't get in the way
of the healing.
willie wrote:
voidisyinyang wrote:
Nobel physicist Brian Josephson also practices qigong.
"noncommutative phase" which is the secret of the Tai Chi as the internal listening energy.
I don't care if it was Jesus who practice qigong himself. I said that
your story sounds kind of thin. That is one thing about chi gong that I
never liked. There is no factual data. A hypothesis can only be formed
if there is at least some facts to go on. So even the wisest of men
would not be able to form any kind of reliable hypothesis on this topic.
Everything is just one speculation built on top of another and another.
That's why I do not involve myself with these matters
Willie
I agree with you that it is difficult to replicate macroquantum
resonance as quantum biology. there have been a few Western studies like
the one below:
On a kungfu forum in 2012 someone
dares to
post the Mayo Clinic, University of Minnesota gold-standard (randomized
controlled) external qi results. The next person responds:
At least read the abstract to the study BEFORE you post it man.
At week 8, these differences in overall decreased pain intensity persisted but were not statistically significant. (
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20626055)
I won’t assume you know what that means - it means by 8 weeks the
people with the Qigong treatment didn’t even PERCEIVE their treatment as
really being any more effective than the people without it.
Just because the qigong company cherry-picks quotes doesn’t mean the Mayo Clinic actually got the results they hoped for.
O.K.
so the person who posted the results feels like they’ve been “put in
their place” but have they? The skeptic may have read the “abstract” and
felt proud about that but the skeptic did not read the actual study!!
So sorry, better luck next time.
That’s the “final” word of the skeptic. And the person who posted the research responds as if they learned their lesson:
Thanks for explaining this in more detail, I understand better now what you were stating.
But
the pdf link clearly explains
what
the skeptic misunderstood from the abstract. The external qigong
treatments were only for 4 weeks! After each treatment, the treated
people felt significantly improved of chronic pain or to quote the
study:
immediate reductions
in pain intensity in persons with chronic pain, after the 2nd, 3rd and
4th EQT sessions. This finding is especially impressive given the long
duration of pain (>5 years), in most of the participants.
(my
emphasis) So then to clarify the control group got “delayed treatment”
with no follow up on their pain reduction. So the first 4 weeks the
group receiving external qi was tested for pain reduction, then 4 weeks
later the “delayed treatment” was received for the control group that
was not tested for pain reduction. Then at
8 weeks
the
first group had not been receiving any qigong healing for 4 weeks and
after 4 weeks of no healing they reported no difference any more.
What
the study clearly showed is that as long as they got the external qi
healing then the pain reduction they experienced was much better than
what Western medicine had been able to provide. Drs. Ann Vincent, Jamia
Hill, Kelly M. Kruk and Brent A. Bauer then finish the report saying
that length of treatment and frequency of treatment would then better
optimize the results in the future.
When you say there is no evidence this is true in the sense of "off the
shelf" standardized mass-produced replication of results. This is what
classical science requires. But the foundation of science is now quantum
physics. And so there is a lot of debate about what that means. When we
add quantum biology - it was considered a woo-woo subject just 12 years
ago when I was promoting quantum biology and qigong on the "top"
science blog of PZ Myers. In 2011 SciAm had their cover story as quantum
biology and in 2016 a science award winning book was on quantum
biology. There are some big differences between quantum biology and most
models of quantum physics. So science is kind of slow to understand
qigong evidence due to the limitations of the analysis.
For
example there is another "gold standard" study of qigong external
healing - but the qigong masters tested were of different abilities. So
one could get good results, the other could not.
I have a playlist of qi energy skills being demonstrated.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... TLV1QNKdk2
So
there is a LOT of evidence - it just depends on what standards are
applied based on how science is defined. And that is debatable.
A
good article on this is philosophy of science professor - Collins, H.
M., (2003) `Lead Into Gold: The Science of Finding Nothing’, Studies in
History and Philosophy of Science, 34, 4, 661-691
Collins studied
paranormal science along with physics science - and so he's done a
fascinating comparison of what constitutes evidence, how the research
studies are set up, etc.
THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARANORMAL: NOTHING UNSCIENTIFIC IS HAPPENING*
H. M. Collins
T. J. Pinch
First published: May 1979
https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1467-954X.1979.tb00064.x
*
So
they are discussing why David Bohm's de Broglie model of quantum
physics got rejected and what that means for paranormal science
research.
Bohm collaborated with PRofessor Basil J. Hiley, with
whom I've corresponded. Hiley emphasizes that almost all quantum
physicists still disregard the truth of quantum nonlocality.
One
exception to this was Eddie Oshins. Oshins was a quantum physicist at
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center and Oshins also taught Wing Chun.
Oshins
realized that the secret of Wing Chun Neigong alchemy training was also
the secret of quantum nonlocality - noncommutative phase as spin 1/2
quanta.
The reason I discovered Oshins - he only has his own
website - he died relatively young - and otherwise is not discussed much
- but I had made this same discovery. So I figured if I made this
science discovery the someone else MUST have also made it. Sure enough -
Oshins made the same discovery.
So Eddie Oshins states in his
"Test Case of PsychoSpinors" paper that the "Double Covering of Palms"
move in Ba Gua or Pa Kua Chang and also Pencak Silat is the same as the
720 degree noncommutative quantum spin.
This
representation only works for the (more fundamental) 1/2-integral
representations (i.e. spinors/turns/quaternions) but also lets one build
the vector and tensor representations. The converse does not
hold....this property of "noncommutivity" in itself might be valuable in
some way.
My claim, and original idea, has been that this
is circumnavigating a T'ai Chi (Yin/Yang) symbol! More recently (Oshins,
1993b) I have suggested that this proximate technique can be used to
realize
Wing Chun kung-fu's "bong sau/tan sau" movement [youtube] out of the
Kauffman/Oshins "quaternionic arm" discussed and referenced below in end
note 5.
I believe that this may be a way to get mind to
code the relative relationship of part of oneself with respect to the
rest of oneself (self-referential motion) and can explain the concepts
of being "centered"/"one"/"integrated"/"extended"/"whole" etc. which one
strives for in meditation.
Oshins, E.
(1993). A Test for Classical Psychospinors. (pdf) In Abdullah, F. (Ed.)
Conservation and Invariance. Cambridge, UK: Alternative Natural
Philosophy Association, London England.
http://www.quantumpsychology.com/Videos.html
So
here is Eddie Oshins demonstrating more Neigong alchemy training moves
with one of his Chinese teachers, Chen Youqin - as based on quantum spin
1/2 resonance. Tai Chi master Chen Youqin is also one of the teachers
of the Neigong Research Society
http://www.nnrs.org/sphere.html with the directors being Chairman, President Tony Wong
Vice Presidents Terry Chan
Tony Mak
Mark Chen
He
also includes a video of the demonstration of the hand move as quantum
spin 1/2 physics - with math professor Louis Kauffman who was also at
SLAC - STanford Linear Accelerator Center. I have corresponded with
Professor Kauffman as well.
This is the teacher of Eddie Oshins:
https://www.ocwingchun.com/kenneth-chun ... wing-chun/
(Note:
Ken does pure Wing Chun but has had experience with some of the top
people in Chen style Tai Chi. This experience convinced him even more
that he is on the right track.) Remember Wing Chun stresses the soft
touch. It is a woman’s style. Yip Man was a small man but none could
touch him.
So what Eddie Oshins did was
discover the secret Western science principles behind the Neigong
training - whether it is Tai Chi or Wing Chun.
. After Eddie Oshins untimely passing on 10 October, 2003, Sifu Ken decided to merge his group with Stanford's.
These principles are not based on any personal experience.
Position/Structure can over come other people's speed and power. Sensitivity/Timing will give you speed and power.
This
is the noncommutative phase secret that Eddie Oshins discovered - but
it is the same as for males, right hand is yin and upper body is yang
while lower body is yin and left hand is yang, from Dragon and Tiger
alchemy, the foundation of Shaolin and Tai Chi training.
https://sites.google.com/site/stanfordwingchun/
The
Neigong Association I referred to before is part of the Chen Tai Chi
lineage - the videos Eddie Oshins posted are of Kenneth Chung and the
Chen teachers.
Quantum Psychology Project® Videos
Chen Youqin middle son of Mr. Chen Qingzhou is applying Chen Family
"chan ssu jing" (silk reeling exercise) to show an application of the
spinorial "orientation-entanglement relation" described by Oshins as
self-referential motion™ in his postnarrative research on the physics of
tao™.
The people he applies it to are students of Kenneth Chung (Chung Maanin): Philip Tung and Daniel Azcarate.
http://www.nnrs.org/
Welcome
to the web site of the National Neigong Research Society (NNRS). The
NNRS is a nonprofit mutual benefit corporation organized under the
Nonprofit Mutual Benefit Corporation Law and incorporated in the state
of California in May, 1995. NNRS is also registered and affiliated with
the Wen Xian International Taijiquan Conference ( ) of Henan Province,
China. The Wen Xian International Taijiquan Conference acts as a formal
certifying body devoted to the promotion of Chen style Taijiquan...The
Chen Qingzhou Martial Arts Association, USA
The Chen Qingzhou
Martial Arts Association, USA (CQZMAA) was founded in June 1997 to
promote the teachings of Chen style Taijiquan in the United States as
passed down to Chen Qingzhou, a 19th-generation descendant of the Chen
family, from Master Chen Zhaopei of the 18th generation. Activities of
the CQZMAA are governed by its administrative board, consisting of
Taijiquan instructors and consultants based in both the US and China.
So as I posted earlier this alchemy secret of neigong is taught by
http://qigongmaster.com
https://www.youtube.com/user/MasterZhangQigong
And it is also the highest level of training at Shaolin, of Master Hai Deng, as I mentioned.
So
in terms of science there is evidence based on the principles. It is
not based on whether a particular situation works or not - as that is
contextual.
In other words science now states that the whole
Universe was created from zero energy and zero spacetime but as a
quantum noncommutative phase shift.
